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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jun 29, 2010 10:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

Oh yes. Being a sucker at the time for anything even vaguely associated with the Grateful Dead and determined to be a do-right Dad I bought that album. Did I play it at the birth of my daughter? Did I hell. Have I ever listened to more than about two minutes straight of it? No sir. Indulgent claptrap of the highest order - I guess Mickey had a string or two to pull back then. My copy is in a box in the garage somewhere. Anybody want it? I think it might take a little while to find though...

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Jun 29, 2010 10:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

. . . and your thoughts on 'Yamantaka' ?

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jun 29, 2010 10:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

I don't know what that is, I never heard of it.

Look I never was one for a lot of alternative or spiritual practices. I am a born skeptic, but if it works for you, more power to you. Life is a difficult enough journey as it is, so "Whatever Gets You Through The Night" is great.

I recieved the tape free in the mail as a promo, and we found it relaxing, so we utilized it and it worked for us. I'm glad we had it, it was a very positive experience, and, for us, it was an integral part of 2 of the greatest days in our lives, so, even now, 20 yrs later, we will always view the piece fondly.

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Jun 29, 2010 10:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

'Yamantaka' is an album Mickey made in 1983 with Henry Wolff and Nancy Hennings (Tibetan Bells l & ll). Kinda in the newage camp, but very nicely recorded. I rather liked it when it first came out, but a recent listening didn't quite pull me in like it used to.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jun 29, 2010 10:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

Wow. That one totally passed me by. There was me thinking you were referring to some Buddhist death terminator, which, on reflection, would have been a fairly left-field addition to the thread, and there you were actually referring to another affair of the Hart. I got that one wrong. I apologise.

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jun 29, 2010 11:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

That was over my head as well. In general, I'm not a big Mickey fan.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jun 29, 2010 10:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

It's irrational.

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Jun 29, 2010 11:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

may be, but I wouldn't quite call it Dada

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jun 29, 2010 11:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

Rationality is in the eyes of the beholder.

A lot of people would say that the devotion that's displayed in this forum towards a band, a guitarist and their music is irrational as well.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 29, 2010 11:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

This thread is crying out for female input ... anyone who thinks childbirth is, er, "meditative" - um, no, guys. No.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 29, 2010 11:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

My wife had a mantra - "EpEhDurAL. EpEHDural". Unfortunately, she didn't get it and it was quite natural - a lot of blood, sweat and tears.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 29, 2010 11:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

Yeah "natural" isn't all it's cracked up to be.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 29, 2010 11:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

It's not too late LOL, let her have an epidural now.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 29, 2010 11:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

Oh, she finds it quite often in a bottle of red and right now I'm sure she's working her way through many a sip of Becherovka, a Czech liqeur.


"Thank you for your wine california
Thank you for your sweet and bitter fruits"

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jun 29, 2010 11:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

I am most assuredly not on the meditative end of the spectrum. One of my abiding memories of the childbirth process is of being fixed by a beady 'this is all your fault' glare by the imminently mother-to-be and thinking to myself 'roll with the punch, just roll with the punch...'

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 29, 2010 11:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

You were probably lucky it wasn't a literal punch :)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jun 29, 2010 11:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

Believe me, at the time I thought it was going to be!

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jun 29, 2010 11:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

Irrationality pretty much defines the human condition.


You do like to edit don't you? Makes responding to you like trying to hit a moving target.

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jun 29, 2010 10:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

Obviously, it's not intended as a musical piece for recreational listening, it is a repetetive rhythmic track that is intended as background for a specific, almost meditative (is that an actual word?) purpose.

We actually liked it and, while it may have been only psychological, we found it to be helpful for us and, most importantly, relaxing for my wife. It gave her something to focus on besides the pain.


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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jun 29, 2010 10:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

PG - I'm glad that your experience was positive. Mickey just didn't work at all for us. But everything else did and today I'm the very proud father of a fine 15-year-old young lady who despite not having any music to be born by has an ear that puts mine to shame.

:-)

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jun 29, 2010 10:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

Well that's the point of the article I referenced. Playing music (of any kind) has not proved to have any effect on the later development of the child. Whatever makes you feel most comfortable as parents to be is what's important to relieve your own stress.

I also spent a lot of time talking to my children in the womb. Did it have an effect? When my son was just born and the nurses were cleaning him up, I said "hello Dylan" and he opened his eyes and looked straight at me. The nurse said "look, he recognizes your voice." Did he, or was he just responding to a noise he heard? I like to think he did recognize the sound, it's just as likely he didn't, but it makes for a better story saying that he did, and it makes me feel good.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jun 29, 2010 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

Those findings were well reported in the press over here as well.

Yes, you're absolutely right that the most important thing is for the mother to be as comfortable as possible throughout the experience (the father's role is to support and his comfort is of secondary importance if it's important at all). Similarly to your experience, just after our daughter was born she seemed to take in the room with a very alert assessing gaze, but wishful thinking and the emotion of the moment will put all sorts of unsupportable notions into your head.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 29, 2010 11:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

They definitely recognize your voice. Nothing mysterious about this, after all the baby can hear in there, and assuming they're neurologically "normal," naturally they recognize voices that they've heard frequently for 9 months. Whether it's Dad or Jerry Garcia.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 29, 2010 4:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Music To Be Born By' Mickey Hart

My son was breach, and my husband spent a lot of time saying to my belly, "Hey kid! This is your father speaking! Turn around the right way, now!"

He didn't listen. Guess he was already practicing to be a teenager.